{"id":454,"date":"2008-02-05T09:01:09","date_gmt":"2008-02-05T15:01:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/?p=454"},"modified":"2011-12-04T19:59:48","modified_gmt":"2011-12-05T02:59:48","slug":"sanctum-1-dialogue-and-the-two-robins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/?p=454","title":{"rendered":"Sanctum 1 Dialogue and The Two Robins"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the comments to my last blog post, Wynele brought up a number of very good points about the RP and romance options in Sanctum 1 &#8212; some of which raise questions that I&#8217;d like to get feedback from players on. WARNING: SPOILERS for both Sanctum modules follow.<\/p>\n<p>Wynele wrote: &#8220;The PC passiveness. I&#8217;d like to see the PC cave a little less to Robin. I know for story reasons, the two must get along-but even the best of friends want to choke each other out from time to time&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Some instances I recall off hand. The soul drinker&#8230; If you take the violent option (which I though was amusing and in lines with what a rowdy BFF would say) Robin gets angry to put it lightly&#8230; The &#8220;High handed bitch&#8221; remark should probably earn Robin an equally insulting retort. (or a good thwap to the back of the head considering he&#8217;s being foolish)&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I was surprised by this comment at first, and only partly because I disagree that Robin is being foolish in that scene. (Neither of you know what getting the venom in your mouth will do to you, and Robin wants a practical reason to agree to your taking that risk.) But I do think there is something to Wynele&#8217;s general point here: that the romances are generally written to encourage kindness rather than confrontation. Given the sometimes frustrating complexity of Robin&#8217;s romance in particular, that may not always be appropriate. And Wynele&#8217;s observation has already given me some ideas about how to address that, including how to improve that conversation in particular. Thanks!<\/p>\n<p>However, after thinking about it, I realized that there&#8217;s probably more going on here, something that&#8217;s related to the difference between the male and female versions of the module. Sanctum 1 was originally written with Robin as a female character only. When I developed the alternative version last year, I pretty much copied the dialogue over verbatim, except for things like pronoun changes and a few edits for lines that <em>obviously<\/em> didn&#8217;t make sense when spoken to or by a male Robin. I was very interested in feedback from players on whether some of male Robin&#8217;s dialogue might not have worked well without some more extensive re-writing, but until now I haven&#8217;t seen or received anything to indicate that this was needed.<\/p>\n<p>Now I&#8217;m not so sure. To see why, try putting the line that Wynele mentioned back in its original context: as a threat of violence spoken by a male PC to a female Robin who has just been fatally poisoned. Perhaps it&#8217;s more my own sense of chivalry than anything else, but I felt that warranted a harsh response &#8212; which was later inherited by the male Robin version of the module. Now I&#8217;m wondering if I shouldn&#8217;t have just re-written this exchange differently for a male Robin. I took more cognizance of issues like this when I wrote Sanctum 2, since the dialogue there was developed with the fact that it had to work for both Robins already in mind. (For example, that&#8217;s why Prince Robin only yells at and humiliates the female courtier who kisses him without asking, while Princess Robin actually breaks the arm of the male courtier who does this.)<\/p>\n<p>So now I&#8217;m thinking that a more extensive editing and re-writing pass through the Sanctum 1 dialogue may be warranted, to take more subtle nuances of this kind into account. And in line with this, I wanted to pose two questions. First, do players agree that this may be needed? And second, does anyone have suggestions about other exchanges to revisit?<\/p>\n<p>Thanks in advance for any feedback &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Andarian<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was very interested in feedback from players on whether some of male Robin<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-454","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-1-thesight"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=454"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":532,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454\/revisions\/532"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=454"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=454"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andarian.net\/TheSanctum\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=454"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}